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friend zone, friendzone, husbands, ioi, IOI's, married, PUA, The Stranger
Is the Friend Zone a permanent prison? The well-respected Rollo Tomassi over at The Rational Male in a post entitled Purgatory implies that the Friend Zone is inescapable. The experience of many men confirms that they can’t get out of the Friend Zone. They try to get out and fail miserably. It’s very painful and they are miserable. Friend Zoning is part of being beta and unattractive.
Married men are often Friend Zoned by their wives. I was. However, now my wife is hot for me. What changed? Somehow, I escaped the Friend Zone. Let’s take a look at how that happened.
I was put in the Friend Zone by my wife. My wife had told me that she no longer could have sex for physical reasons. (It was a total lie. Later she confessed that she stopped being attracted to me. I was unemployed and not bringing in an income. I was obese, too.) I went into a depression and gained more weight.
I realized that I was depressed. A few months later, I decided to do something about it. I decided to lose weight and take up dancing. Both became obsessions. My wife even supported my plan. Shortly after I started dancing, I found the manosphere through Dalrock. I started reading a lot of manosphere posts. I remembered my days as a PUA. I remembered my Fling. I remembered why women found me attractive.
While I was out dancing, even while obese, women were giving me IOI’s. It turns out that I had started living in my old PUA Frame again. I wasn’t actively pursuing women–they were trying to get my attention. My Frame was simply being a standup guy–take no nonsense and don’t argue. Be aloof and laconic. Joke very little and only smile occasionally. When I joked or smiled, it was catnip to women, because it was so rare.
Back to my wife. I was talking with her about my experiences with women. She wasn’t concerned, even though I was out for hours dancing on Friday and Sat. nights. So I eventually told her that I was getting a girlfriend. All of a sudden, she was throwing insecurity tests at me right and left. I just ignored them. I instigated for sex and she was hungry for it. I had escaped the Friend Zone.
But isn’t escaping the Friend Zone supposed to be impossible? Rollo Tomassi and others affirm that proposition. So, we have a dilemma. Empirical evidence contradicts other empirical evidence. Is there perhaps something different about my experience than that of other men?
When I told my wife that I was getting a girlfriend, she said that I wasn’t the man that she married. What? I’m the same man. That hasn’t changed.
Look at it from the woman’s perspective. She’s saying that she doesn’t recognize the man. He is The Stranger. The original husband was known; he had a sexual identity in the woman’s eyes and a low sexual value. This sexual identity was given a Friend Zone attribute by the woman’s hamster because of his low sexual value. This new Stranger doesn’t have a sexual identity. The woman will now evaluate him sexually as though she were just meeting him for the first time and assign him a sexual value; the old sexual identity is gone forever.
So, this is how we husbands escape the Friend Zone–we become The Stranger. We break rapport with our wives and use Pre-Selection by other women to give us a higher Sexual Market Value. Our wives then see us with a new sexual identity and a higher SMV and we arouse them. We escape the Friend Zone. The attachment of a man’s sexual value to his sexual identity is explained in my post, Sexual Macrodynamics: “At some point, the man will instigate for sex. The woman will identify the man and the man will identify the woman. The woman will assign a sexual value to the man corresponding to his sexual identity.”
All plausible, for married game: Because your wife was your 24×7 companion and witness. Your willingness to pursue alternatives challenged her pride.
However, for the single man, escaping the friendzone may be more challenging. The woman here is neither embarrassed directly by your options, nor is she required to think about them much when you leave the house on Friday night for a night of dancing with delightful alternatives.
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I would add that my wife’s status as wife was also potentially threatened by my announcement that I was seeking a gf. Not only that, but her possessive instincts were activated, according to her. Both of those are also powerful incentives not available to the single man who has been friend-zoned.
For the single man, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. First, avoid Oneitis, which is a focus on one particular woman as if she were The One True Love.
Second, to escape the Friend Zone, the single man must lose his sexual identity which has a Friend Zone attribute attached. He must become The Stranger. There are many ways to accomplish this, but breaking rapport is always essential. The friend-zoned single man must avoid contact with the woman for a couple of weeks. He ought to change his physical appearance in some obvious way. The single man must demonstrate preselection in front of the woman who has friend-zoned him. One possibility is to enlist the aid of another woman friend who will slap the single man and say, “How come you never called me back? We had such a beautiful night together.” Then she walks away.
Dancing is a way to bring Dread to a woman friend. The single man can take her dancing and dance with a lot of other women and flirt with them. He must not allow her to think that he will dance with her exclusively.
I should also ask why a single man should care if a particular woman has friend-zoned him. He should be spinning multiple plates. If he can’t do that, he has bigger problems than being friend-zoned.
Hi asdgamer.
Came over initially because my WordPress stats said that I had 3 referrals from your blog (don’t see how though) and was just reading some more of your posts. I like your writing style, it is very straightforward. Nothing to really contribute however, as my own FwB relationship doesn’t involve the majority of your topics. If I’m completely honest, the things you, Rollo, and other “game” peoples blog about sounds exhausting, lol. But hey…if it works and isn’t harmful, then do what you have to do.
Hope you are well and having a good night.
-Tarnished,
your newest follower
Glad you followed, Tarn. Maybe you can send some folks my way in the future. You’re on my blogroll, which is how you got clicks from me.